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Friday, June 24, 2005

Great post of the day debunks 2 liberal myths.

Myth 1. We had no post occupation plan in Iraq.
Myth 2. Americans believe Saddam Hussein caused 911.
Click here to feast on the debunkage @ Dean's World!!!

posted by Harkonnendog @ 4:40 PM  

5 Comments:

  • At 8:32 AM, Blogger Cernig said…

    Hi Hark,

    To be strictly accurate, Dean debunks nothing. He simply links to two posts that he says do the debunking. The first debunks the "total failure to plan" meme only be admitting the planning that WAS done was abyssmal.

    The second proves that Saddam supported the familes of terrorists after the terrorists were dead - other than that it's all second and third hand connections that prove not a thing other than that Islamic terror groups and various middle east nations talk to each other from time to time. The connection between the US and AlQaida, via funding for the precursors to the Taliban in their fight against Russian occupation, is clearer cut than the connections between Saddam and AlQaida.

    (Before anyone says I'm defending terrorists, I'm not, I'm simply pointing out that the "proofs" don't go the extra mile one would wish them to.)

    Strictly speaking the posts debunk nothing except wrongly universalising.

    Regards, C

     

  • At 8:55 AM, Blogger Harkonnendog said…

    Good points, C. But I think it DOES debunk the idea that these arguments are over. For example the MSM acts like they are sure Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism... There is a big difference between the truth, which is that there is proof he supported terrorists and no proof that he did not, and what is being portrayed by the MSM.
    Cheers!

     

  • At 10:50 AM, Blogger Cernig said…

    Hi Hark,

    no proof that he did not

    As conservatives have delighted in pointing out on everything alleged about what Bush didn't do when he could've..."you can't prove a negative".
    :-)
    Regards, C

     

  • At 1:05 PM, Blogger fester said…

    To pile on with Cernig; Dean's defense/debunking of the planning "myth" is that absolutely horrenous planning was done and it took too damn long to figure out how to plan better.

    If my objective was to score a threesome with Jessica Alba and Lyndsay Lohan, I need a plan. If the entire extent of that plan was to say that this is my objective and that I will sit in my basement learning how to brew beer, then I really do not have an effective plan.

    The relevant question on planning and its effects on post-invasion Iraq are the following?
    Did it adapt to changing circumstances? Did it reflect reality on the ground at the time of its creation and implementation? If you answer no to any of these questions, then the plan was not that good to begin with.

     

  • At 12:11 PM, Blogger Harkonnendog said…

    Hi Fest,
    "The relevant question on planning and its effects on post-invasion Iraq are the following?
    Did it adapt to changing circumstances? Did it reflect reality on the ground at the time of its creation and implementation? If you answer no to any of these questions, then the plan was not that good to begin with."
    You guys act like it should have been easy. Changing Iraq into a democracy is a HUGE undertaking.
    cheers!

     

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